This aint the org of the 80's and 90's anymore. Who needs Jesus?.... we got the 144K, a new kind of superhero.
Sea Breeze
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144,000 raise the dead and read hearts.
by enoughisenough ini sometimes catch a video of a lady calling the kh and asking questions.
this morning she was questioning something that was said in the annual meeting part 2 and i looked it up for myself.
( feb 23 ) at timeline 1:37 the claim is in the new world jesus and the 144000 will raise the dead and just shortly after that the claim is jesus and the 144,000 will read hearts.
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses who are disfellowshipped allowed to communicate and comfort each other while waiting to be reinstated?
by Vanderhoven7 ini just read about a disfellowshipped person who was looking for other disfellowshipped persons to socialize with.
what does the org have to say about this?.
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Watchtower is Run Like the Mafia
by Sea Breeze inanybody else notice this?
the have a syndicate (governing body) regional bosses (district overseers), captians (circuit overseers), and elders are their "made men" that enforce policy at street level.
if you run your mouth too much, they wipe out your whole family (disfellowshipping).
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Sea Breeze
"Take the counsel, leave the cannoli".
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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24
by Fisherman injerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.
— luke 21:24 .
the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.
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Sea Breeze
The is the basic Christian view. (Evangelical)
I think WT was basically on track here.... with the exception of the 607 / 1914 nonsense.
After Jesus takes care of the small matter of saving believers (mostly gentiles) and defeating the anti-christ with a single word at Armageddon, he then occupies the throne of King David which has been vacant since Zedekiah.
Jesus was promised the throne of David his forefather. There is no power in the universe that can stop it. It is going to happen. Like it or not, earth will be ruled by a Jewish King, the incarnate God, Jehovah.
Zechariah 14:9 ASV
And Jehovah shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall Jehovah be one, and his name one. -
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Watchtower is Run Like the Mafia
by Sea Breeze inanybody else notice this?
the have a syndicate (governing body) regional bosses (district overseers), captians (circuit overseers), and elders are their "made men" that enforce policy at street level.
if you run your mouth too much, they wipe out your whole family (disfellowshipping).
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Sea Breeze
Attempting to keep an objective view of my (and the WTS's) past I find the comparison of the witnesses to the Mafia rather strange.
@Reasonfirst,
Open your eyes. It is a successful business model. They bring your family into a conflict when necessary to control you and to protect their "thing". It is so successful they are quite adept at convincing you to even commit suicide... or at least forfeit the authenticity of your life, which is a type of death. They are there to enforce the addage "all men die, few men really live".
It is a seductive thing to die (in one way or another) so your family can "live". Few men can resist it. I did and I highly reccommend it. Pantangeli did not: -
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No ransom needed: Everybody wipes out their OWN sins.
by BoogerMan inthanks tony morris & co. you keep providing vomit food at the proper time.
w85 12/1 p. 9 par.
4 - "all men are sinners and are, therefore, heavily in debt before god.
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Sea Breeze
Good catch BM,
The Watchtower idea of salvation is incomprehensible and contradictory:
"There is no punishment for sins after a person dies. The Bible says that “the wages of sin is death” and that “a dead person has been absolved from sin.” (Romans 6:7, 23, NAB) Death is the full and complete punishment for sin".
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-purgatory-in-the-bible/
Yet, they say the same things Christians say here:
When an imperfect human dies, he can only pay the penalty for his own sins; he cannot redeem himself, nor can he pay for the sins of anyone else. (Romans 6:7) We needed a person who was perfect and sinless to offer his life, not for his own sins, but for our sins.—Hebrews 10:1-4.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2019-sep-oct/jesus-conquered-death/
So, which is it?
Romans 6: 7 is talking about getting born again, not actual death. This is obvious from the previous verses:
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
We are freed from sin when we get born again by getting new spirit which cannot sin. This breaks the vice grip of sin. We can still sin in the flesh though.Three times Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again to see the Kingdom. Yet, the WT says you don't need to be. Apparently, All you have to do is physically die acording to WT.
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Watchtower is Run Like the Mafia
by Sea Breeze inanybody else notice this?
the have a syndicate (governing body) regional bosses (district overseers), captians (circuit overseers), and elders are their "made men" that enforce policy at street level.
if you run your mouth too much, they wipe out your whole family (disfellowshipping).
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Sea Breeze
Anybody else notice this? The have a syndicate (governing body) Regional bosses (District Overseers), Captians (Circuit Overseers), and Elders are their "Made Men" that enforce policy at street level.
If you run your mouth too much, they wipe out your whole family (disfellowshipping).It's just business. Fugitaboutit.
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Exercise Patience Regional Convention
by Rattigan350 inthe theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".
looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.
no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?
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Sea Breeze
"Exercise Patience District Convention"
The name just gives me the heebie jeebies. So manipulative, so un-motivating, so booring sounding. Imagine going to a Seminar titled,
"Exercise Patience Three Day Seminar"
Keynote Address: Hurry up and Wait .... Again
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Exercise Patience Regional Convention
by Rattigan350 inthe theme of the in person convention this year is "exercise patience".
looking at the convention map, they are really using their assembly halls and they are using smaller civic centers or city arena.
no more huge stadiums.. are they not expecting a great crowd?
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Sea Breeze
Ooops
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Everyone must come to THE ORG for salvation!
by BoogerMan inw81 11/15 p. 21 par.
18 ‘stay awake and keep your senses’ - "...the witness yet includes the invitation to come to jehovah’s organization for salvation...".
such an ironic & tragic title for the article!.
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Sea Breeze
1. “All things are delivered to Me by My Father..., “Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest... learn from Me... My burden is light.” - Jesus in Mt. 11
2. "come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation", and work (publish) for us. - Wt
Mmmmm whom to believe? Well, that was easy.
